We all knew about this disgusting abridgement of our rights, but here it is in black and white:
Rep. Michael Cloud, R-Tex., sent a letter on Tuesday to President Donald Trump urging action on a centralized registry of guns and gun owners that, according to Gun Owners of America (GOA), violates multiple federal statutes.
Cloud argued the database violates the 1986 Firearm Owners’ Protection Act and congressional spending bans on centralizing records or searching them by name.
“No one in their right mind can look at ATF’s digital, searchable 1.4 billion record database of firearm transactions and tell me that isn’t a gun registry. Several federal laws prohibit gun registration, so it’s truly shocking to see how ATF has disregarded the will of Congress here,” Aidan Johnston, GOA Federal Affairs Director told Just The News.
According to Johnston, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ (ATF) digital database, managed by the National Tracing Center in West Virginia, has surged to 1.4 billion records, a significant increase from the 920 million records reported in 2021.
The database contains various forms of identifying records such as firearm transaction records, names, addresses, and serial numbers. The records are primarily digitized from paper forms when gun stores go out of business, which happened at an accelerated rate under the Biden administration due to its zero-tolerance policies.
The ATF hides behind a definition:
…the ATF claims this is a tracing system rather than a registry.
Of course it does. This ignores (uh huh) the fact that it’s a de facto registration device — just an unintended consequence rather than a feature rather than a bug. And as for the database’s apologists:
The ATF did not provide documentary evidence that traces from these records have produced successful violent-crime prosecutions.
Needless to say, avoiding the danger of appearing on said database just requires gun owners to utilize ummm impromptu purchasing methods (e.g. the “Texas transfer” and going to a nearby ELGS*).
Not that I would ever do anything like that to avoid appearing on the ATF’s “tracing system”, of course.
You all know the “simple solution” of this post’s title, don’t you?
Abolish the fucking ATF in toto, fire (not transfer) all its agents and bureaucrats, and burn the National Tracing Center to the ground.
*ELGS: Evil Loophole Gun Show (coined by Rachel Lucas)
I got excited for a moment when I thought it said “Rep. Michael Cloud, T-Rex.”
Last 8 guns I bought were “off the books” and I’ll probably never buy a gun from a licensed vendor again. You can’t trust anything any more.
Really when you think about what – why is the govt so worried about people owning property without them having records?
CONTROL!
It’s sure as fuck NOT about stopping crime.
# Washington DC – DISTRICT OF CORRUPTION
is your car registed? do you pay an annual (or biennial/triennial) fee for your licence plate?
why?
You know, if you never take it onto a public road, you need never get it registered.
Last time I checked, Cars aren’t mentioned in the Constitution, even though it was written almost 20 years after the The Fardier de Cugnot, the first self-propelled land vehicle was built by French inventor Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot.
The last few gun shows I’ve been to (and it’s been years ago), every table was a dealer and every purchase required paperwork. Unless you’re buying guns in the parking lot from other attendees, the so-called ELGS probably doesn’t exist as such anymore.
As the old saying / meme goes – the ATF should be a convenience store not a govt agency.
# DEFUND THE GOVERNMENT
“….ATF has disregarded the will….”
That works both ways motherfuckers. >:-[
Never forgot Randy weaver
And that was pre flock
The jack boot thug sickos from the govt murdered a dog and an unarmed woman holding her baby.
Fucked up isn’t the word.
It certainly isn’t about solving crime. Canada’s gun registry has never been used to solve homicide. It is essentially unheard of in the states with gun registration and if it was useful for this database we would have heard about it.
I was a college student when a lot of this paperwork shit really cooked off. Sarah Brady was making the rounds on the crybaby daytime shows, with her captive vegetable husband.
I had 2 dorm mates arguing over this. Both were pro 2A but one fell on the “common sense” side of forms and some barriers to entry.
I was too poor to be a player in the gun world at the time, but I knew from seeing other regulatory agencies behave, that once they got your info, it didn’t matter anymore.
All the promises, laws, congressional pressures, whatever in the fuck, made actually no difference in how an agency behaved. The agency did what it wanted and usually it’s behavior was excused or covered up by the administration it occurred under.
It’s also why I soured on Team Elephant, because despite all the spittle generated about the outrageous behavior of whatever agency, not a damn thing was ever done.
Maybe the recent NFA ruling will have some legs, but I suspect it will simply be ignored, and agency bidnezz will remain as usual.
“All the promises, laws, congressional pressures, whatever in the fuck, made actually no difference in how an agency behaved.” This.
Kalifornia marches on —
https://www.usacarry.com/california-bill-mandates-8-hour-firearm-course-to-buy-a-gun-and-for-new-residents-bringing-guns-into-the-state/
I was an FFL there near 20 years, up to 2012. Wife and I escaped in 2016. God bless Texas.
Just to add to my comment above. This is exactly how this bullshit works. It’s all based on the premise that SOMETHING BAD MIGHT HAPPEN. So TPTB write laws granting themselves “legal” power to sanction you for not following them. NONE of it involves any criminal act you may have committed, for which you have been arrested, tried, convicted by a jury of your peers, and sentenced.
Friend of mine had little use for attorneys. His preference was six guns on main street at high noon. “You may not like the way it turns out, but by God, it’s over”.
Team elephant has gotten us concealed carry in every state as well as rolling back a lot of crap that was meant to be first steps towards more regulations (national assault weapons ban for instance).
No, they are not perfect, but don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
They have done some things in the 2A space. Not because they want to but because the 2A crowd has been pretty brutal bout lopping (electively speaking) the heads off of non-compliant politicians. I give them about as much credit as I give the NRA, which is the blind squirrel credit.
I actually give more credit to targeted lawsuits by org’s like GOA, CCW groups etc.
Doesn’t matter. The ATF is still a thing, as is the EPA, as is the USFWS, USFS, BLM, IRS, etc. They’re currently, grudgingly, forced to be more moderate in their brutality, but by allowing the bastard agencies to live, you permit them to crush you eventually.
In the words of Sideshow Bob, “You can’t keep the Democrats out of office forever.” Its best not to leave them destructive devices to use when they get back in.
You do realize that no matter WHAT is done/tried, from this point on, it is
simply too d**n late !!!!!
The information that has already been collected / gathered, sifted, sorted, cataloged
and DUPLICATED, far more than just once will be ‘with us’ FOREVER !!!!
I’m sure it is backed frequently and in many scattered places. It will exist FOREVER
somewhere. There is NO WAY it can be erased, destroyed, burned in a manner
that PROVED the data was GONE ! We have no idea TODAY how many copies exist and where they are located or anything else about them ………………………SOL guys !!
Even if you could get everyone to go along with the destruction of the existing
material, would you really believe that all of it had been destroyed ?? Me neither.
Were stuck !
Can it be fixed ??
Frankly, I doubt it !!
Fixing it would require methods that would be VERY difficult to use !
Once those methods are used, they are very difficult to not use, and the political landscape is very vulnerable too demagogues who look at the situation and say, “Hmm, this is a parade I should get in front of.”
If you think we have a party that is ignoring and tearing up the Constitution, wait until something really bad and scary happens and all these voters from more socialist and communist countries vote for a man on a horse (which was what the South American people always seemed to go for) and another man on a horse wants to take over.
has anyone thought about an enemy invading (with soldiers, not sneaking in) with the foreknowledge of where every firearm is located?
will someone please tell me why I can’t ship my old .45 to my son crosscountry without having to go through an FFL?